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		<title>By: Cigar Inspector</title>
		<link>http://www.cigarjack.net/2008/09/19/advice-wanted-good-inexpensive-espresso-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-7774</link>
		<dc:creator>Cigar Inspector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse, it&#039;s these coffee pods that make the coffee as good as it is. Of course, I also like it because it&#039;s so easy to do :) Try it out somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse, it&#8217;s these coffee pods that make the coffee as good as it is. Of course, I also like it because it&#8217;s so easy to do :) Try it out somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse,

Since quality is every bit important as price, there has to be a balance.  The Nespresso Essenza Flowstop is priced &quot;reasonably&quot; and produces pretty good espresso. 

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse,</p>
<p>Since quality is every bit important as price, there has to be a balance.  The Nespresso Essenza Flowstop is priced &#8220;reasonably&#8221; and produces pretty good espresso. </p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Havagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Havagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just get a stove top espresso percolator.

http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.mokapot.shtml

Ignore those ridiculous prices. You can get them for under $10 at any grocery store in Miami.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just get a stove top espresso percolator.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.mokapot.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.mokapot.shtml</a></p>
<p>Ignore those ridiculous prices. You can get them for under $10 at any grocery store in Miami.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a Krups Model xp2010 I rec&#039;d for my birthday and I love it!! Its a combo coffee maker also. It makes espresso perfect with the &quot;cremma&quot; on top. It makes espresso as good as the $15000 machine at the restaurant I work at!! Yes I said fifteen thousand dollars. Check out Krups.com for info.   Enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Krups Model xp2010 I rec&#8217;d for my birthday and I love it!! Its a combo coffee maker also. It makes espresso perfect with the &#8220;cremma&#8221; on top. It makes espresso as good as the $15000 machine at the restaurant I work at!! Yes I said fifteen thousand dollars. Check out Krups.com for info.   Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.cigarjack.net/2008/09/19/advice-wanted-good-inexpensive-espresso-maker/comment-page-1/#comment-7769</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with a French press. Simple and it works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing wrong with a French press. Simple and it works!</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, the main reason I remember is probably because I smoke too much. :) I have a text file full of notes from the cigars I haven&#039;t reviewed yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, the main reason I remember is probably because I smoke too much. :) I have a text file full of notes from the cigars I haven&#8217;t reviewed yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;m here anyway, I envy your ability to obtain and smoke such a wide variety of cigars. More so, I envy your ability to keep track of which ones taste like what. Every time I go to the shop I think, oh no ... which ones did I like and which ones not ... and is that one really worth it.

That aside, one thing I&#039;ve learned is that the drink can make or break the smoke. The right drink can make a so-so cigar seem excellent and the wrong drink can down right ruin a good cigar.

My point is, if you plan to drink coffee with some of your smokes, do it right or don&#039;t do it. Do not get something affordable only to have a mediocre smoke-drink experience. Better off without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m here anyway, I envy your ability to obtain and smoke such a wide variety of cigars. More so, I envy your ability to keep track of which ones taste like what. Every time I go to the shop I think, oh no &#8230; which ones did I like and which ones not &#8230; and is that one really worth it.</p>
<p>That aside, one thing I&#8217;ve learned is that the drink can make or break the smoke. The right drink can make a so-so cigar seem excellent and the wrong drink can down right ruin a good cigar.</p>
<p>My point is, if you plan to drink coffee with some of your smokes, do it right or don&#8217;t do it. Do not get something affordable only to have a mediocre smoke-drink experience. Better off without.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you guys just talked me into staying with my drip coffee maker and my French Press for the time being. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you guys just talked me into staying with my drip coffee maker and my French Press for the time being. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jesse,

This depends on what kind of espresso you like. If you want something that will produce a thick, black shot of coffee, you  probably have a lot of options. If you want to get on the coffee geek train and pull shots that really pull out the flavor of an espresso blend and produce a thick, velvety crema, you&#039;re looking at a bigger investment.

From what I understand of home machines, the inexpensive ones tend to suffer from bad temperature control and low pressure. To get a really good espresso, you need a strong pump and a water temp that&#039;s not going to fluctuate all over the place while you&#039;re extracting a shot. Other machines use pods, and every espresso from a pod I&#039;ve had is pretty nasty. (Admittedly, I&#039;m spoiled from spending years behind the bar at some great coffee shops.) The Rancilio Silvia (as Rick notes above) is the standard choice for home fanatics, but it&#039;ll cost you.
http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/consumer/rancilio_silvia

The other important advice is not to skimp on a grinder. A good machine without a consistent grind isn&#039;t going to make great coffee. Coffee Geek is an excellent place for more info on both of these things.

For a low cost alternative, you might also try out the Aeropress. It doesn&#039;t technically make espresso (despite the claims on the box) because it doesn&#039;t use anywhere near enough pressure to produce crema. But it does produce a nice shot of coffee and gives you much more control over the strength and flavor profile you desire. My guess is that, paired with a decent grinder, this would give you much better coffee than any cheap espresso machine you might find.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jesse,</p>
<p>This depends on what kind of espresso you like. If you want something that will produce a thick, black shot of coffee, you  probably have a lot of options. If you want to get on the coffee geek train and pull shots that really pull out the flavor of an espresso blend and produce a thick, velvety crema, you&#8217;re looking at a bigger investment.</p>
<p>From what I understand of home machines, the inexpensive ones tend to suffer from bad temperature control and low pressure. To get a really good espresso, you need a strong pump and a water temp that&#8217;s not going to fluctuate all over the place while you&#8217;re extracting a shot. Other machines use pods, and every espresso from a pod I&#8217;ve had is pretty nasty. (Admittedly, I&#8217;m spoiled from spending years behind the bar at some great coffee shops.) The Rancilio Silvia (as Rick notes above) is the standard choice for home fanatics, but it&#8217;ll cost you.<br />
<a href="http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/consumer/rancilio_silvia" rel="nofollow">http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/consumer/rancilio_silvia</a></p>
<p>The other important advice is not to skimp on a grinder. A good machine without a consistent grind isn&#8217;t going to make great coffee. Coffee Geek is an excellent place for more info on both of these things.</p>
<p>For a low cost alternative, you might also try out the Aeropress. It doesn&#8217;t technically make espresso (despite the claims on the box) because it doesn&#8217;t use anywhere near enough pressure to produce crema. But it does produce a nice shot of coffee and gives you much more control over the strength and flavor profile you desire. My guess is that, paired with a decent grinder, this would give you much better coffee than any cheap espresso machine you might find.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about rather than inexpensive we say &quot;simple&quot;?

If simple, than Adam is right on, Bialetti Moka Express. Tip - don&#039;t buy one bigger than you need. If you typically make 1 cup and sometimes make 4 - then buy one of each size; they don&#039;t cost that much.

If really, really good coffee (espresso) is what you are after with quick reheating so you can serve friends, then you want the Rancilio Silvia and I recommend the Rancilio Rocky burr grinder. I have the Silvia outfitted with a PID controller (after market) for better temperature control and I got the Rocky without the doser. But that&#039;s just personal preference. With that you will need a good tamper. And frankly, no set-up is complete without the base.

Given that will set you back over 1200, I&#039;d start out with the Moka Express.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about rather than inexpensive we say &#8220;simple&#8221;?</p>
<p>If simple, than Adam is right on, Bialetti Moka Express. Tip &#8211; don&#8217;t buy one bigger than you need. If you typically make 1 cup and sometimes make 4 &#8211; then buy one of each size; they don&#8217;t cost that much.</p>
<p>If really, really good coffee (espresso) is what you are after with quick reheating so you can serve friends, then you want the Rancilio Silvia and I recommend the Rancilio Rocky burr grinder. I have the Silvia outfitted with a PID controller (after market) for better temperature control and I got the Rocky without the doser. But that&#8217;s just personal preference. With that you will need a good tamper. And frankly, no set-up is complete without the base.</p>
<p>Given that will set you back over 1200, I&#8217;d start out with the Moka Express.</p>
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